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thanks roy. im glad someone is paying attention to what really matters.
How they conned so much money out of councils to drop some hessian sand sacks on the sea floor is impressive.
Sand mining companies about to extract billions of tons of black sand from Aotearoa. The benefits will far outweigh the negative environmental impacts.
Confusing times
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I reckon an artificial reef wouldn't be that hard to make and due to our fantastic RMA legislation anyone can apply to do so. 
I'd go less "eco tech" and use large concrete blocks, tires and chains.
or even simpler just move a couple of rocks into strategic locations.
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I reckon just drive a weighted down bus into the sea at low tide then fill it with concrete
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Fark that would be a wedgy ledge. Short ride too.
edit: I'd use a tug boat to pull it into place. + remove the engine and fuel systems. Don't want oil getting every where.
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empty your box utah
Earthquake rubble from chch. Southern demolition could create several banks to make a certain coast a veritable barrel fest. Anyone with half a brain knows where
To me there are only two proven methods of making man-made waves. Both of them produce waves as a by-product of trying to do something else.
1/ Physically moving sand around. Examples: Sand Bypass as at Snapper Rocks, or in another form when they bulldoze open river-mouths in NZ.
2/ Breakwalls and Groynes. Examples: Lyall Bay Corner, Blaketown, Newport wedge, Chiba, New Jersey.
3/ I love making lists. This one looked like it needed a third point.
It is nice to dream about spending hundreds of millions of dollars re-creating Nias, Padang-Padang and Desert Point at Piha or Lyall Bay out of concrete though. If I were an eccentric billionaire I'd be bankrolling schemes like that left right and centre! Even if you had the cash you'd still have to get consent aye. The rules are there to protect the coastline from getting fuked up by other activities so it's good that it's there. It is a bit of a shame though that the RMA would make it very difficult to make man-made waves.
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Originally posted by: downsouth
Earthquake rubble from chch. Southern demolition could create several banks to make a certain coast a veritable barrel fest. Anyone with half a brain knows where
D S have you ever thought about running for Mayor .
Originally posted by: Spud
It is nice to dream about spending hundreds of millions of dollars re-creating Nias, Padang-Padang and Desert Point at Piha or Lyall Bay out of concrete though. If I were an eccentric billionaire I'd be bankrolling schemes like that left right and centre! Even if you had the cash you'd still have to get consent aye. The rules are there to protect the coastline from getting fuked up by other activities so it's good that it's there. It is a bit of a shame though that the RMA would make it very difficult to make man-made waves.
maybe you need to forward such a proposal to 2020 inc. ...
Quite right SPUD but the RMA is the vehicle that anyone of us can use. I like lists too.
Method 1: Strategically placed concrete blocks, Like you see at landscaping places. Linked with chains running through the center of tires in a V shape. Est cost 50k not sure about the cost of a crane hire and divers.
Method 2: Get a working bee to shift rocks around on a promising but not quite right beach. Est cost hard work
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since our coast has some pretty fractious reefs. some just need a little filling in.
and there are plenty of breakwalls, groynes and moles that dont quite do the business. surely a little engineering to their shape would help. I think there is big money to be made by an engineer who specialises in it. think of all the places that have been ruined
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You chaps who think that rocks and concrete will serve to make reefs at beachbreaks are as mistaken as ASR were ( although possibly ASR knew but were doing a con job)
Anything as heavy as sand will sink until it vanishes without trace unless it hits a solid surface beneath the sand... it's basic knowledge which kerry Black should have known.
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Spot on Toaster! re the fractious reefs.
Work should be done in marginal spots first to prove the concept. I can think of a couple of genuine options.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
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You chaps who think that rocks and concrete will serve to make reefs at beachbreaks are as mistaken as ASR were ( although possibly ASR knew but were doing a con job)
Anything as heavy as sand will sink until it vanishes without trace unless it hits a solid surface beneath the sand... it's basic knowledge which kerry Black should have known.
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Woops just reread that. Carry on
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
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You chaps who think that rocks and concrete will serve to make reefs at beachbreaks are as mistaken as ASR were ( although possibly ASR knew but were doing a con job)
Anything as heavy as sand will sink until it vanishes without trace unless it hits a solid surface beneath the sand... it's basic knowledge which kerry Black should have known.
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didnt you already say two or three years ago that it was a farce and a con job fark these chunts any perks they made with their wages flat screen tvs sups suvs any bi*ch trimming luxuries hand them back
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
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You chaps who think that rocks and concrete will serve to make reefs at beachbreaks are as mistaken as ASR were ( although possibly ASR knew but were doing a con job)
Anything as heavy as sand will sink until it vanishes without trace unless it hits a solid surface beneath the sand... it's basic knowledge which kerry Black should have known.
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I reckon You are right on this one Roy. Maybe a concrete reef would work if it rested on driven piles or something?
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Yes Rob, I was saying it was BS when it was first suggested in 2000 or so. There was only one acceptable opinion at that time and that was a pro reef one.
When the Boscombe councillors came to Mount Maunganui on a 'fact finding' booze tour funded by ASR none of them even replied to invitations by the locals for feedback on the reef, they made a fleeting visit to the Mount reef on a flat day and then zoomed off to Rotorua to sight see and be wined and dined.
My wife was in some of Kerry Black's Geology classes at Waikato Uni during 1987, and told him that reefs made of sandbags would sink when placed on sand, as any geology 101 student should know... Black, with a Doctorate, just told her to shut up as it depended on what kind of sand is used. She thinks that he's a misogynistic gold chain wearing sleaze bag, and a lying fraudster.
It just goes to show that if people don't want to know the truth they will just ignore it.
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These are minor issues.
The point is that IMHO I believe that quality waves can be man made and also cost less than 250k. A 2.75m improvement on the Opunake beach failure.
ASR did do a con job. That much is obvious.
Based on that theory Roy. How do river groynes work on sand bottomed river mouths. Wouldn't they sink into the sea? Why not use the same techniques.
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Originally posted by: SpudOriginally posted by: Roy_Stuart
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You chaps who think that rocks and concrete will serve to make reefs at beachbreaks are as mistaken as ASR were ( although possibly ASR knew but were doing a con job)
Anything as heavy as sand will sink until it vanishes without trace unless it hits a solid surface beneath the sand... it's basic knowledge which kerry Black should have known.
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I reckon You are right on this one Roy. Maybe a concrete reef would work if it rested on driven piles or something?
It's liquefaction due to water movement which causes it.
I don't know if that could be avoided by deep piles, but as I kept saying the waves at the Mount are of good quality already, just get a longboard instead of altering the coastline and any problem is solved.
ASR advertising claimed that the entire Mount ocean beach is just one long unsurfable closeout, and that the reef would cure this, they used the slogan "First there was God, then there was Kerry Black"
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Was that the actual slogan?
What a fckwit
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Then they did a reef in India attached to a point/beach and claimed great success when it still worked nearly as well as it did pre reef.
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Originally posted by: Jtah
Was that the actual slogan?
What a fckwit
Yep, it was printed and via audio, the audio was over the top.
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I also hear that k black has a habit of stripping off his clothes at dinner parties and prancing around naked..
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Originally posted by: Jtah
These are minor issues.
The point is that IMHO I believe that quality waves can be man made and also cost less than 250k. A 2.75m improvement on the Opunake beach failure.
ASR did do a con job. That much is obvious.
Based on that theory Roy. How do river groynes work on sand bottomed river mouths. Wouldn't they sink into the sea? Why not use the same techniques.
According to our resident geologist they do sink, but are maintained by adding more on top.
Does anyone know if the Mount reef has been surveyed recently? it seems to have basically vanished.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
I also hear that k black has a habit of stripping off his clothes at dinner parties and prancing around naked..
Why wait till the dinner party you say?
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
I also hear that k black has a habit of stripping off his clothes at dinner parties and prancing around naked..
Right on baby...
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I enjoyed reading that the proposed reef at lyall bay would increase the swell days??!! Now that is new science!
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You need a PhD to understand that sh*t toaster... It's all in the books
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Originally posted by: marko sharkoOriginally posted by: Roy_Stuart
I also hear that k black has a habit of stripping off his clothes at dinner parties and prancing around naked..
Why wait till the dinner party you say?
careful now
I don't know if this is something thats been done before to a degree (?) but take a look at Aramoana.
The quality of the wave seems to be created by the offshore spoils that essentially split the incoming swells and create super peaks. These peaks hit the beach at differing angles and anyone who has surfed it on a sizey day knows you need to watch your positioning.
Artifical reefs always seem to rely on creating a structure that a wave breaks on/over and the success/demise of it is orchestrated by the the movement of sand around it. Suppose you took a coastline that already had swell hitting it but never amounted to much due to prevailing swell being too straight for example. If you had somewhere with suitable conditions, you could create a sub-sea mount/structure that split up the swells as they came in would i believe could have the effect of radically changing the break itself - possibly even targeting certain swells a certain direction.
Yep it would require a lot of background work but it would seem that if it did work, its future would be reasonably sound as it *shouldn't* be affected by sand deposits to the same degree.
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Originally posted by: Roy_StuartOriginally posted by: SpudOriginally posted by: Roy_Stuart
*edited 07 Nov 2012 18:28
You chaps who think that rocks and concrete will serve to make reefs at beachbreaks are as mistaken as ASR were ( although possibly ASR knew but were doing a con job)
Anything as heavy as sand will sink until it vanishes without trace unless it hits a solid surface beneath the sand... it's basic knowledge which kerry Black should have known.
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I reckon You are right on this one Roy. Maybe a concrete reef would work if it rested on driven piles or something?
It's liquefaction due to water movement which causes it.
I don't know if that could be avoided by deep piles, but as I kept saying the waves at the Mount are of good quality already, just get a longboard instead of altering the coastline and any problem is solved.
ASR advertising claimed that the entire Mount ocean beach is just one long unsurfable closeout, and that the reef would cure this, they used the slogan "First there was God, then there was Kerry Black"
yeah good quality for long boards only, in saying that I have had some good days out tay street before the reef, some pretty sweet shorey right hand barrels. The reef was pretty fun for about a year, had a few nuggety barrels there, and it was pretty trippy being there by yourself on still mornings and seeing all the friggin sealife underneath you.
Originally posted by: downsouth
I don't know if this is something thats been done before to a degree (?) but take a look at Aramoana.
The quality of the wave seems to be created by the offshore spoils that essentially split the incoming swells and create super peaks. These peaks hit the beach at differing angles and anyone who has surfed it on a sizey day knows you need to watch your positioning.
Artifical reefs always seem to rely on creating a structure that a wave breaks on/over and the success/demise of it is orchestrated by the the movement of sand around it. Suppose you took a coastline that already had swell hitting it but never amounted to much due to prevailing swell being too straight for example. If you had somewhere with suitable conditions, you could create a sub-sea mount/structure that split up the swells as they came in would i believe could have the effect of radically changing the break itself - possibly even targeting certain swells a certain direction.
Yep it would require a lot of background work but it would seem that if it did work, its future would be reasonably sound as it *shouldn't* be affected by sand deposits to the same degree.
Right. Maori bay, something in coro. the mole in lyall. surfline has already done so much work on bathymetry.
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I believe that there are actually two aspects to surf break creation, farming the swell and then bending the wave. I saw a video of a tyre dump in the ocean it was an environmental disaster and open your eyes to where all the rubber goes. But does rubber leak toxic waste? Can some pharmacologist tell me more, reason is it actually looked like it was starting to turn to a reef.
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If you can't surf it, F&$k it!
Toaster I think the wave on south beach is the perfect creation by man, Low Key will also know that.
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If you can't surf it, F&$k it!
how about a submerged strcture that is acnhored to the sea floor and doesny rely on mass to keep it in place..... It could me made of a composite material- and moulded to creat the perfect wave...... and anchored by fixing to deep piles..... I of course intend to patent the idea- and until then will protect my IP with violence
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Tyres are full of mercury.
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Long bladders full of water that are weighted on the bottom but still float just above the sand ? Cost effective and not that hard to do .
Get a longboard, these reefs are just failed attempts to alter the coastline to suit short boards, and are utterly retarded.
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Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
Tyres are full of mercury.
Incorrect.
Research recycled rubber flooring.
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Guess it depends on the information you read.
No mention of Mercury in this report.
"An Assessment of Environmental Toxicology and Potential Contamination from Artificial Turf using Shredded or Crumb Rubber
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Originally posted by: jelly
Long bladders full of water that are weighted on the bottom but still float just above the sand ? Cost effective and not that hard to do .
thats some good thinking....youre an ideas man jelly
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Toaster I think the wave on south beach is the perfect creation by man, Low Key will also know that.
Toaster knows south beach as well, just never see him in the water anymore.... LOST one Toaster.
South can focus the swell to a peak and groom the sand, would like to dive down there and see what actually happens.
Opunake spending 2.75million is crazy, you could do a wave pool for that, maybe even a warm wave pool.
Or I'm just putting it out there imported a truck load of Russian wives and clean up the gene pool and then once they all have children then people would come to look at the prettiest population town in south naki bringing in those tourist dollars
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Or I'm just putting it out there imported a truck load of Russian wives and clean up the gene pool and then once they all have children then people would come to look at the prettiest population town in south naki bringing in those tourist dollars
May I suggest you run for Mayor of Opunake?
whats wrong with the cousins...
2.75 million. could of bought a farm for that.
Originally posted by: Roy_Stuart
Get a longboard, these reefs are just failed attempts to alter the coastline to suit short boards, and are utterly retarded.
You're talking about slapping one in the middle of nowhere as a new site.
What I'd like to see is existing breaks improved with a few strategic rock movements.
Think pig out point in New Plymouth.
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Opunake was a fu<ken disaster, <unts face community Board needed to be run out of town!
Pig out point surf gets pretty good on its day. Utta
Inside Kawaroa on a WSW semi off shore, that would be worth improving.
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i doubt roy has ever been to pig out point.
1. i doubt roy eats franchised takeaway food.
2. i doubt roys bus would make it out the carpark.
3. i doubt roys bus would make it over mt messenger.
Originally posted by: The Boss
Toaster I think the wave on south beach is the perfect creation by man, Low Key will also know that.
it does pretty damn well considering the whole area
- has a lot of onshores
- is quite shallow
- is not australian white sand.
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Originally posted by: Take
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Opunake was a fu<ken disaster, <unts face community Board needed to be run out of town!
Pig out point surf gets pretty good on its day. Utta
Inside Kawaroa on a WSW semi off shore, that would be worth improving.
You're onto it Take. That whole NP walkway has potential for improvement and that's my point that existing set ups should be improved. The NZ north shore lol.
Pig out point
Kawaroa
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Originally posted by: 2020
You need a PhD to understand that sh*t toaster... It's all in the books
I dont need a PhD to know thats f*in nonsense. reefs have yet to increase swell.
Jtah & Take is pig out point boulters bay?
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As it says in the surf guide. Yes
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Originally posted by: JtahOriginally posted by: Take
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Opunake was a fu<ken disaster, <unts face community Board needed to be run out of town!
Pig out point surf gets pretty good on its day. Utta
Inside Kawaroa on a WSW semi off shore, that would be worth improving.
You're onto it Take. That whole NP walkway has potential for improvement and that's my point that existing set ups should be improved. The NZ north shore lol.
Pig out point
Kawaroa
I used to live on Weymouth st. Surfed down there a few times. It was completely sh1thouse.
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Originally posted by: toasterOriginally posted by: 2020
You need a PhD to understand that sh*t toaster... It's all in the books
I dont need a PhD to know thats f*in nonsense. reefs have yet to increase swell.
Jtah & Take is pig out point boulters bay?
From my understanding certain reefs can focus swell due to refraction and produce waves considerably bigger than what would be otherwise possible. The common name for this is "wave magnet". I'm sure a bit of a trawl on the Surfline site would produce an article discussing this phenomenon.
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Maverick maybe?
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