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Food - do you care whats in it?
Yes this is something that has come up before but seriously - its literally disturbing how blind some people can be.
Proposition 37 in California to be be voted on this month, to essentially bring food branding laws up to grade reads
"The purpose of this measure is to create and enforce the fundamental right of the people of California to be fully informed about whether the food they purchase and eat is genetically engineered and not misbranded as natural so that they can choose for themselves whether to purchase and eat such foods."
$7M in donations support this
$42M are against it. A few of the companies trying to stop this going through:
PepsiCo
Coca Cola
Craft Foods
Nestle
and best of all, Monsanto.
Its easy to point the finger at the "dumb yanks" but how much do you read your labels? I saw a pack of cup cakes the other day in a bakery for sale with 43 ingredients in them.
we have 20 or 30 products that are legal in this country that others have banned.
even getting stuff without corn or soy is hard.
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Don't watch this it'd shock and appall you [youtu.be]
the evils of roundup and its non brand counterparts 90+% of the population are spraying into the water table and thus into the sea we surf in (no its not biodegradable like the label says)
And this one is even more shocking [youtu.be]
(yeah they are long use unplug or downloadhelper and watch em on tv)
its shocking like downsouth says how lobby groups and ex monsanto lawyers wrote the GMO legislation cos the politicans couldn't even understand the GMO concept let alone the risks
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
If im buying a product I haven't before I will read label extensively but I try to buy less made up foods just buy ingredients and make it myself
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Chairman of the sub 1000
Interesting. I am more concerned about roundup resistant food than roundup itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate [en.wikipedia.org]
Will watch you vid when I get the opportunity Beemer. For some reason youtube is not doing it for me at the mo.
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Always, always, always read the label.
Have to with Mrs OS being ceoliac.
And since being diagnosed I've turned into Mr Natural. 
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Wait For The Ricochet
Originally posted by: oldscool
And since being diagnosed I've turned into Mr Natural.
so your the guy that does that confectionary ad?
im all for the labeling. but are we goin too far? do you really want to live forever? my partner use to work in a resthome as a nurse. bein old (specially with dementia) looks like a lot of fun...
but then how much of that dementia is caused by the toxins in our food!
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it is probably a contributing factor. much like smoking and lung cancer.
Tongue in cheek or not , yep we re not gonna live forever. But i would rather know what were the ingredients of my family's food than trust a company who campaigned over $7m usd to hide it - given that they are poisoning people and essentially invented agent orange
i agree with you DS (as stated earlier).
but what needs to be asked is do you grow your own vegies? if so do you use your own compost/waste to replenish the soil? if not do you ask your grocer whether the fruit/vegies you have purchased are GE and chemical free?
btw, you cant have too much to worry about if you fast often.
Good thread.
I try to prepare as much of my own food as possible from whole foods.
I say I
......I havn't cooked dinner in months. Thanks Mrs U
As for Dungas POV feel free to eat what you want. It's your body.
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obviously, you have failed at reading my posts just like DS has. im in full support of this. people do need to be made aware of what they are buying. what you have failed to read is that your local grocer who sells the fruit/vegies do not supply you with a list of 'products' used to enhance growth and keep away the pests.
realistically, whats more toxic. the pesticide or a colouring agent?
i dont care. i only eat vegemite sandiches and chocolate chippie biscuits. the breakfast, lunch and dinner of stoners and bums.
Originally posted by: Dunga
obviously, you have failed at reading my posts just like DS has. im in full support of this. people do need to be made aware of what they are buying. what you have failed to read is that your local grocer who sells the fruit/vegies do not supply you with a list of 'products' used to enhance growth and keep away the pests.
realistically, whats more toxic. the pesticide or a colouring agent?
Nah I got what you meant and you make good points in this post. My point was if you want to eat colouring and pesticides go ahead and do it re the live forever thing.
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*edited 07 Nov 2012 12:22
Originally posted by: Dunga
i agree with you DS (as stated earlier).
but what needs to be asked is do you grow your own vegies? if so do you use your own compost/waste to replenish the soil? if not do you ask your grocer whether the fruit/vegies you have purchased are GE and chemical free?
btw, you cant have too much to worry about if you fast often.
Yep i do grow my own veggies. Yep i do create my own compost to feed the soil - but both are beside the point.
im not being a pariah telling anyone what they should and shouldn't do - as far as im concerned everyone including me can do better than they do towards achieving even their own principles in this regard.
My beef is with corporations lobbying to hide whats in the food
Dunga - i didn't fail to read/understand your post, but don't expect your opinion to be taking seriously if you're going to joke about dementia in resthomes. At least *try* and stay on point.
Originally posted by: downsouth
*edited 07 Nov 2012 12:22
Yep i do grow my own veggies. Yep i do create my own compost to feed the soil - but both are beside the point.
how was my post off point (epic fail in my regard btw)? but what i was aiming at was if you were using 'man made' compost how can you be assured that the chemicals included in those are not detrimental to your health.
Originally posted by: downsouth
*edited 07 Nov 2012 12:22
My beef is with corporations lobbying to hide whats in the food
amen to that DS. we should be given all necessary information regards what is included in our food.
Originally posted by: downsouth
Dunga - i didn't fail to read/understand your post, but don't expect your opinion to be taking seriously if you're going to joke about dementia in resthomes. At least *try* and stay on point.
its on point. the reasonin for my comments regardin resthomes and dementia (i apologise if there are members in your family with said illness) is that the need for dietary concerns/maintainance to increase ones health and longevity. i dont want to be 75 and in a resthome/unit care. instead im goin to chopes at 70 and suffering a momentary amount of pain or instantaneous death due to riding 60ft slabs (in roy ft btw).
It's beginning to sound like 2 old men who are fighting about agreeing with each other.
I remember seeing an article in a surf mag about eating good food rather than maccas as it will please your body and help run it better. True to a degree but the recommended d
Food list was:
Apple juice (nothing but sugar)
Cereal (nothing but corn and additives (no nutrients)
Cheese and ham Sammie's for lunch
(processed rubbish meat, processed dAiry and bread which is just fast release carbs with no nutrients)
Pasta for dinner. Again, starchy carbs with absolutely no macro or micro nutrients
Amazingly no fruit or veg were mentioned but on the face of it, this is what constituted a healthy balanced days food
just like the last of the summer wine...
t's beginning to sound like 2 old men who are fighting about agreeing with each other.
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Good thread indeed. Yes, I care what's in it, about its origin, and about the welfare of its producers.
That said, sometimes I still eat sh1t, and good god, it's fantastic. And sometimes I buy chocolate and pretend that I don't know it was produced in dubious conditions, and made from orangutan's babies' tree-nests. I hated that dichotomy for a while, but I've come to terms with it. I do good when I feel like I can, other times I spray my garden paths with Glyphosate, because it makes my life easier. I think it's more important to let your conscience enable you, rather than cripple you. If you feel good about yourself, you're more likely to do good, than if you believe you're an ars3hole, and try to guilt yourself into it.
It sucks that corporations like the Evil Monsanto (who make my garden edges look nicer) can lobby with Big Money, and essentially buy legislation. Much like the Fracking fracas here in NZ, perhaps.
What should we do about that? I signed some petition on the interweb. Does that count for sh1t? So should schmoud. What *will* I do? Probably sweet fu(k all.
What a wilted crock of sh1t, dumbbell. Get off surfco!
Check out the percentage of Genetically Modified crops across the world.
all that GM pollen in the wind 
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
I could make up some clap trap like that too.
NOT sure how many countries this applies to but the rule is... if more than 9% of your crop is monsanto hybrids (even from windblown) then they own your crop entire crop
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2020 likes giant mongaloid apples harvested by slaves... They just taste better
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we all know youre not talkin about apples 20. how is your the schmokin hot mrs 2020 btw?
still smoking hot dunga...
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SNAP AWARDS 2012: INNAGRUAL WINNER OF THE SUPREME AWARD.
GETTING OFF SUBJECT
TO TALK OF 20'S SMOKING HOT BABY MUMMA 
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
thank god robdrone and roy_drone aren't over here 
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Originally posted by: Beemertrash
Check out the percentage of Genetically Modified crops across the world.
all that GM pollen in the wind
Why dont you shut your fukking mouth and show some grass root solutions shid head?
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Hey hey. Less of that language in my thread please Rob. Make a point or get back to the stroop waffles.
robdrone
my actions;
i grow heritage crops
i exchange seeds with other forum members
or exchange them here [urbanorganics.org.nz] when i have too many .
i don't use chemical weed or insect sprays (grass clippings or boiling water for weeds and my insect spray recipe on 'moon gardening' thread)
i have my own orchard
and am talking to local community board about planting fruit/nut trees instead of ornamental in their future planting plans
i am working on a local community garden we just got off local community board this includes getting local school kids hands on involved (no education just gardening)
and
i don't vote for a party with a pro GMO policy
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Originally posted by: Beemertrash
thank god robdrone and roy_drone aren't over here
...and thus did Beemertrash conjure up the Rob....
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sorry 20
they've hacked my computer
as i'm an alleged NWO lizard
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Ive concluded that I would rather be a lizard..
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SNAP AWARDS 2012: INNAGRUAL WINNER OF THE SUPREME AWARD.
Excellent rebuttal by beemer but you didn't help Rob I feel what he meant was how can his grass have better roots.
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Chairman of the sub 1000
You can't rely on food label information to represent the truth, it is more a marketing tool to sell product than to help the consumer.
- country of origin: the reality maybe to do with only repackaging in that country.. or,
- only one of the ingredients came from the country but that everything else came from a country not stated on the label.. The more ingredients, less tracking, where did each ingredient come from?
- how to word/ phrase something on the label to appear to be something it is not and still get govt authority approval (like saying '100% natural' when it has GE ingredients within),
- how to maintain same product size, weight as stated on label whilst using less expensive essential ingredients and replacing them with cheaper non-related 'fillers' like corn bulks & flavouring
etc..
This sorta information is helpful for a consumer to know but it is a companies most valuable IP so it will be hidden & disguised.
Originally posted by: Beemertrash
robdrone
my actions;
i grow heritage crops
i exchange seeds with other forum members
or exchange them here [urbanorganics.org.nz] when i have too many .
i don't use chemical weed or insect sprays (grass clippings or boiling water for weeds and my insect spray recipe on 'moon gardening' thread)
i have my own orchard
and am talking to local community board about planting fruit/nut trees instead of ornamental in their future planting plans
i am working on a local community garden we just got off local community board this includes getting local school kids hands on involved (no education just gardening)
and
i don't vote for a party with a pro GMO policy
Cheers for the link Beemer.
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Local at nowhere, eternal blow in.
rob is a rarked. a victim. another sensitive soul.
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Whats in your Wheat ?!? [gmwatch.org]
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
*edited 13 Nov 2012 11:19
Originally posted by: dumbbell
I think it's more important to let your conscience enable you, rather than cripple you. If you feel good about yourself, you're more likely to do good, than if you believe you're an ars3hole, and try to guilt yourself into it.
Agreed. And not just for yourself, but for those who want to change the minds of others. I think rational people are likely far more inclined to listen to someone who is showing them a positive alternative than someone shouting at them telling them their faults.
Prop 37 was not voted in. A friend in the US advised that the 43+M USD spent by the no-campaigning food companies essentially was advertising telling the voters that no means more expensive food and nothing else. Its obviously not in their interests to have to advertise what they put in their foods when its GMO based, but its pretty depressing to see that the majority would prefer not to know or care and instead be scared by tv propoganda.
You could make the point that these people who voted no potentially wouldn't be bothered looking at the label anyway so the only people losing out are the ones who did want to know.
*edited 13 Nov 2012 12:15
im goin amish...
Originally posted by: dumbbellyour god made a s#it world ae
Good thread indeed. Yes, I care what's in it, about its origin, and about the welfare of its producers.
That said, sometimes I still eat sh1t, and good god, it's fantastic. And sometimes I buy chocolate and pretend that I don't know it was produced in dubious conditions, and made from orangutan's babies' tree-nests. I hated that dichotomy for a while, but I've come to terms with it. I do good when I feel like I can, other times I spray my garden paths with Glyphosate, because it makes my life easier. I think it's more important to let your conscience enable you, rather than cripple you. If you feel good about yourself, you're more likely to do good, than if you believe you're an ars3hole, and try to guilt yourself into it.
It sucks that corporations like the Evil Monsanto (who make my garden edges look nicer) can lobby with Big Money, and essentially buy legislation. Much like the Fracking fracas here in NZ, perhaps.
What should we do about that? I signed some petition on the interweb. Does that count for sh1t? So should schmoud. What *will* I do? Probably sweet fu(k all.
What a wilted crock of sh1t, dumbbell. Get off surfco!
*edited 16 Nov 2012 15:25
The Amish are pretty cool i reckon - they sure don't do everything right (e.g. their rather limited genepool and related birth defects) but some of their values are certainly to be admired.
In other news,
a bit of grass roots change [naturalsociety.com]
Originally posted by: downsouth
*edited 16 Nov 2012 15:25
The Amish are pretty cool i reckon - they sure don't do everything right (e.g. their rather limited genepool and related birth defects) but some of their values are certainly to be admired.
sounds familiar.
putararu
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
Originally posted by: mrbrownstoneyour god made a s#it world ae
Not the quickest cab off the ramp, are you mrbrowneye?
don't mock the mentally disabled spastics dumbell.
Who is it, BC? I can't keep up with dipsh1ts changing their handles these days...
I don't know and I wanna keep it that way.
Originally posted by: Beemertrash
putararu
Spelling error ^
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dumbledor does
Monsanto, the massive biotechnology company being blamed for contributing to the dwindling bee population, has bought up one of the leading bee collapse research organizations. Recently banned from Poland with one of the primary reasons being that the company’s genetically modified corn may be devastating the dying bee population, it is evident that Monsanto is under serious fire for their role in the downfall of the vital insects. It is therefore quite apparent why Monsanto bought one of the largest bee research firms on the planet.
It can be found in public company reports hosted on mainstream media that Monsanto scooped up the Beeologics firm back in September 2011. During this time the correlation between Monsanto’s GM crops and the bee decline was not explored in the mainstream, and in fact it was hardly touched upon until Polish officials addressed the seri
ous concern amid the monumental ban. Owning a major organization that focuses heavily on the bee collapse and is recognized by the USDA for their mission statement of “restoring bee health and protecting the future of insect pollination” could be very advantageous for Monsanto.
In fact, Beelogics’ company information states that the primary goal of the firm is to study the very collapse disorder that is thought to be a result — at least in part — of Monsanto’s own creations. Their website stated (at the time of writing this article):
While its primary goal is to control the Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) and Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) infection crises, Beeologics’ mission is to become the guardian of bee health worldwide.
What’s more, Beelogics is recognized by the USDA, the USDA-ARS, the media, and ‘leading entomologists’ worldwide. The USDA, of course, has a great relationship with Monsanto.
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In the world there is nothing more submissive and weak than water. Yet for attacking that which is hard and strong nothing can surpass it. Lao Tzu
*edited 26 Nov 2012 11:42
Originally posted by: Beemertrash
Monsanto, the massive biotechnology company being blamed for contributing to the dwindling bee population, has bought up one of the leading bee collapse research organizations. Recently banned from Poland with one of the primary reasons being that the company’s genetically modified corn may be devastating the dying bee population, it is evident that Monsanto is under serious fire for their role in the downfall of the vital insects. It is therefore quite apparent why Monsanto bought one of the largest bee research firms on the planet.
It can be found in public company reports hosted on mainstream media that Monsanto scooped up the Beeologics firm back in September 2011. During this time the correlation between Monsanto’s GM crops and the bee decline was not explored in the mainstream, and in fact it was hardly touched upon until Polish officials addressed the seri
ous concern amid the monumental ban. Owning a major organization that focuses heavily on the bee collapse and is recognized by the USDA for their mission statement of “restoring bee health and protecting the future of insect pollination” could be very advantageous for Monsanto.
In fact, Beelogics’ company information states that the primary goal of the firm is to study the very collapse disorder that is thought to be a result — at least in part — of Monsanto’s own creations. Their website stated (at the time of writing this article):
While its primary goal is to control the Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) and Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) infection crises, Beeologics’ mission is to become the guardian of bee health worldwide.
What’s more, Beelogics is recognized by the USDA, the USDA-ARS, the media, and ‘leading entomologists’ worldwide. The USDA, of course, has a great relationship with Monsanto.
Good to know. Thanks.
Originally posted by: Beemertrash
Monsanto, the massive biotechnology company being blamed for contributing to the dwindling bee population, has bought up one of the leading bee collapse research organizations. Recently banned from Poland with one of the primary reasons being that the company’s genetically modified corn may be devastating the dying bee population, it is evident that Monsanto is under serious fire for their role in the downfall of the vital insects. It is therefore quite apparent why Monsanto bought one of the largest bee research firms on the planet.
It can be found in public company reports hosted on mainstream media that Monsanto scooped up the Beeologics firm back in September 2011. During this time the correlation between Monsanto’s GM crops and the bee decline was not explored in the mainstream, and in fact it was hardly touched upon until Polish officials addressed the seri
ous concern amid the monumental ban. Owning a major organization that focuses heavily on the bee collapse and is recognized by the USDA for their mission statement of “restoring bee health and protecting the future of insect pollination” could be very advantageous for Monsanto.
In fact, Beelogics’ company information states that the primary goal of the firm is to study the very collapse disorder that is thought to be a result — at least in part — of Monsanto’s own creations. Their website stated (at the time of writing this article):
While its primary goal is to control the Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) and Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) infection crises, Beeologics’ mission is to become the guardian of bee health worldwide.
What’s more, Beelogics is recognized by the USDA, the USDA-ARS, the media, and ‘leading entomologists’ worldwide. The USDA, of course, has a great relationship with Monsanto.
It 'aint paranoid when Trash posts it.
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