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Kim Dotcom
*edited 11 Feb 2012 10:38
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surprised no ones already done this
There seems to be a quite a bit of sympathy for this overweight german cartoon tellytubby, either along the lines of
why dont they arrest the youtube guys as well
or
the americans are telling NZ what to do
or
prove hes a crim before hes extradited..
or
the arrest was totally over the top
In my opinion
I'm no fan of the USA in general but this current situation is what happens when you make yourself the youtube posterboy for how much money you have made from illegal sources and how much money you can burn being an @rsehole..
He made this money distributing copyright material, this is illegal!! pirate bay, limewire kazaa style, and... they are all under heavy legal manners or shut down, now its Kims turn, in what universe is what he does legal??
(yes i know scooter, the free internet dude 
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Is the sympathy because its convenient for you all to get your copyright songs and movies free and you would like to believe hes some sort of internet freedom fighter...?
If he were knocking over banks and posted internet videos of himself having a millionaires lifestyle, great laughs, waving around guns and bathing in a pool filled with imported spring water and bikini babes with the proceeds, he couldnt plead that he was redistributing wealth or upholding the freedom of money distribution and that it wasnt fair when the cops came to bust his door down. You also cant claim its over the top to have armed cops involved when half your youtube videos show you waving around shotguns and military assault hardware.
Any one on here thats cast a c0cked eye at the crafar or cameron deals should welcome the turfing out of a guy whos lazy ten million meant he could sidestep his many previous criminal convictions and buy his way into the country
as for megaupload hosting legit files
If you store your legit files on a website that distributes files illegally and they get busted you cant whine about it. Imagine if there was a bank run by the mafia, that gave away free money, and you knew that free money was stolen, would you put your money into that bank?
if you would... your an idiot...
You can tell im not a fan
IMO hes fat, redefines the term gauche and he deserves whatever he gets.
I only hope that Mr dotcoms gazillions take a thorough beating as he tries to defend himself in court... and good luck with that. Someones got to be the whipping boy and Dotcoms expansive butt is the perfect medium for uncle sam to paint some heavy stripes...
shock and awe my friends, shock and awe...
PS
watch Scooter give himslef apoplexy defending fatboy and his internet pig trough... :LOL:
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The high priest of the high and mighty has spoken...
I wonder if he took such a moral highline when Sony was handing out the free CD's
*edited 11 Feb 2012 10:58
Free CDs distributed by a label on behalf of a signed artist are / were a promotional tool, this would apply to mag cover samplers or compilations given to radio and retail, back in the day when this was common they would rarely be whole albums but rather selected tracks from an album to build a buzz for an upcoming release.
Please refrain from making comments if your not sure what you are on about battery, i know its been a habit for a while but its about time we all stopped giving you some leeway because your new and inexperienced.
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alot of bitterness on this thread it seems. you poms really hate germans huh?
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Originally posted by: brighton_pumps
alot of bitterness on this thread it seems. you poms really hate germans huh?
only fat ones
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Come on BP, must have stuck in your craw a bit that this guy could drop a quick 10 mill and buy his way in to Aotearoa when anyone else with his record (or even a minor conviction) trying to merely holiday in NZ would be put on the next plane back to Dusseldorf
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He would need a big board.
I think Stat's is a little jealous... Of the highflying lifestyle that he could have had if his DJ career went anywhere
12 years without a day job that was pretty good going, DJing wasnt the big business it is now back in the 80s battery, and im happy with my lot, theres no dignity in being the oldest DJ in town...
As for Mr dotcom, I dont think im going to be jealous of the many years hes going get in rikers being some latino gang guys blow job beatch...
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Yeah I'm sure you'd give Norman Cook a run for his money if you were younger
but yes I'm sure Mr Dotcom will be a new favourite for all the boys in the big-house
Your text to link here... [youtube.com]
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How would u know ^^^ batmatrat been there done that have u? lol
Have actually Pipe...
Originally posted by: brighton_pumps
Your text to link here... [youtube.com]
Oh wow,
So BP, would you let, say Mark Hotchin live at your house and say he was a good bloke because he donated the odd 50 bucks to your christmas decoration fund?
its about the equivalent...
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*edited 11 Feb 2012 11:40
Originally posted by: Batteryits the labour voter in him speaking batts
I think Stat's is a little jealous... Of the highflying lifestyle that he could have had if his DJ career went anywhere
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Originally posted by: Mr Statikyou are reading an awful lot into a simple youtube link statsOriginally posted by: brighton_pumps
Your text to link here... [youtube.com]
Oh wow,
So BP, would you let, say Mark Hotchin live at your house and say he was a good bloke because he donated the odd 50 bucks to your christmas decoration fund?
its about the equivalent...
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Originally posted by: Mr Statik
*edited 11 Feb 2012 10:58
Free CDs distributed by a label on behalf of a signed artist are / were a promotional tool, this would apply to mag cover samplers or compilations given to radio and retail, back in the day when this was common they would rarely be whole albums but rather selected tracks from an album to build a buzz for an upcoming release.
Please refrain from making comments if your not sure what you are on about battery, i know its been a habit for a while but its about time we all stopped giving you some leeway because your new and inexperienced.
Bullsh!t, you got a ton of free albums...
And thanks to you all for leeway you have given me. The gentle guidance and support you dish out to a young newbies is something else
Originally posted by: brighton_pumps
alot of bitterness on this thread it seems. you poms really hate germans huh?
thats what I was thinking
dont mention the war.
Originally posted by: Mr Statik
Come on BP, must have stuck in your craw a bit that this guy could drop a quick 10 mill and buy his way in to Aotearoa when anyone else with his record (or even a minor conviction) trying to merely holiday in NZ would be put on the next plane back to Dusseldorf
they let him in and just cause america gives us orders we follow them. too late now.
Gotta agree with alot of that Stats. He was stealing property and should be dealt with accordingly and if you downloaded from his site you are RECEIVING stolen goods and thats what makes people support him, cause they are involved in the crime also.
So much music around - its noise, good on him for making minstrals performers. Do they arrest the CEO of NZ post because he knows that drugs are sent in the mail?
If music corporations had sold us mp3s in timely manner, then they could have gone on to selling us flac now. Extorting the virtues of lossless standards, a never ending re-packaging.
Information wants to be free
Originally posted by: bionic chronicOriginally posted by: brighton_pumps
alot of bitterness on this thread it seems. you poms really hate germans huh?
thats what I was thinking
dont mention the war.
Hell yeah mention the war ,they LOST
Originally posted by: waynekerr
Gotta agree with alot of that Stats. He was stealing property and should be dealt with accordingly and if you downloaded from his site you are RECEIVING stolen goods and thats what makes people support him, cause they are involved in the crime also.
Could you please PM me your address, I would prefer to rob your house when you are at work... so make sure no ones home, just to save any awkward moments cheers
Originally posted by: Pipe FinsOriginally posted by: bionic chronicOriginally posted by: brighton_pumps
alot of bitterness on this thread it seems. you poms really hate germans huh?
thats what I was thinking
dont mention the war.
Hell yeah mention the war ,they LOST
Almost 100 million dead from World war 1 & 2 you flag waving muppet.
yet because of the war they had to analyse themselves and what went wrong and how it got caused and now are better for it. where as the rest of the world is still on the team usa buzz of "we are so great nothing is wrong with us"
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Originally posted by: bionic chronicseems a common theme with all the english folk doesnt it?Originally posted by: brighton_pumps
alot of bitterness on this thread it seems. you poms really hate germans huh?
thats what I was thinking
dont mention the war.
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Originally posted by: Batterythats a long plane ride batts i must sayOriginally posted by: waynekerr
Gotta agree with alot of that Stats. He was stealing property and should be dealt with accordingly and if you downloaded from his site you are RECEIVING stolen goods and thats what makes people support him, cause they are involved in the crime also.
Could you please PM me your address, I would prefer to rob your house when you are at work... so make sure no ones home, just to save any awkward moments cheers
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Fu(k music companies
20 years of $35 CD's and now they wonder why we are down/uploading not caring about the industry or artists!
Radiohead and co got it right 100% ...going indi to the fans
we will pay the artist but fu(k the marketing men and corporate gits
fu(k years of downloading have passed and itunes and bandcamp is all the legit download world can come up with 
obviously the corp want loads of $$$ not a reasonable price for their product
the up/download crew will always beat the corps
I'm 50/50 on Megaupload (never up/downloaded from them)
they did have servers of copyrighted material so he did break the law and will most likley die in prison
whereas the likes of piratebay and isohunt hold no material on servers the sharing is from user to user they just provide the conduit
many legit artists and publishers have had their legitimately legal work deleted as the govt deleted Megauploads servers ...illegal censorship
hope they had backups!
in 5 months of NZ's toothless upload laws 25 notices served to lady gaga and adele uploaders
the rest of us carry on down/uploading as we were !
the sites you hear about are 0.1% of whats out there but you got to be invited to the rest of the sites ...good luck FBI
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Originally posted by: waynekerr
Gotta agree with alot of that Stats. He was stealing property and should be dealt with accordingly and if you downloaded from his site you are RECEIVING stolen goods and thats what makes people support him, cause they are involved in the crime also.
obviously you don't even understand up/downloading
go tune your beta recorder
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Originally posted by: brighton_pumpsOriginally posted by: Batterythats a long plane ride batts i must sayOriginally posted by: waynekerr
Gotta agree with alot of that Stats. He was stealing property and should be dealt with accordingly and if you downloaded from his site you are RECEIVING stolen goods and thats what makes people support him, cause they are involved in the crime also.
Could you please PM me your address, I would prefer to rob your house when you are at work... so make sure no ones home, just to save any awkward moments cheers
Bonus!! I get a holiday as well...
usa may tarnish you forever. only bad folk in that country
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has anyone... apart from scooters unusually reasoned and calm (for him) post, got anything to say in support of Mr Dotcom....
it seems not...
good riddance to bad trash
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Originally posted by: BeemertrashOriginally posted by: waynekerr
Gotta agree with alot of that Stats. He was stealing property and should be dealt with accordingly and if you downloaded from his site you are RECEIVING stolen goods and thats what makes people support him, cause they are involved in the crime also.
obviously you don't even understand up/downloading
go tune your beta recorder
yeah way ive read the law technically if you loan your friend a copy of your cd or copy your cd for them to listen too then you are breaking the law too yet most people wouldnt think twice about that
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Originally posted by: brighton_pumpsOriginally posted by: Mr Statikyou are reading an awful lot into a simple youtube link statsOriginally posted by: brighton_pumps
Your text to link here... [youtube.com]
Oh wow,
So BP, would you let, say Mark Hotchin live at your house and say he was a good bloke because he donated the odd 50 bucks to your christmas decoration fund?
its about the equivalent...
Please enlighten us as to your purpose in posting a link to some talking heads gushing praise of dotcoms donation of a 500k fireworks display to auckland.
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about dotcom i dont care really, wether he goes to jail does is extradited or not my life will go on just the same as it was so why waste time thinking bout it!
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Originally posted by: JabesOriginally posted by: BeemertrashOriginally posted by: waynekerr
Gotta agree with alot of that Stats. He was stealing property and should be dealt with accordingly and if you downloaded from his site you are RECEIVING stolen goods and thats what makes people support him, cause they are involved in the crime also.
obviously you don't even understand up/downloading
go tune your beta recorder
yeah way ive read the law technically if you loan your friend a copy of your cd or copy your cd for them to listen too then you are breaking the law too yet most people wouldnt think twice about that
Thats correct, but way too small to bother with, the kicker is if you then go on to make a lot of copies of that CD or DVD and try and sell them.
Then (like the guy from Otara markets who was on the news a few years back) they will nail you to the wall..
I think it was his second offence and he got considerable jail time
It may be inconvinient but it is the law...
more murky is are the rumours that the new next gen Xbox will have some sort of usage prevention so that you cant play a second hand game on it...
the second hand market always annoyed the music industry but was seen as an inconvinient part of the whole. no record companies ever threatened to stop supplying real groovy for instance
the second hand market is seen as a bigger thorn in the side of the gaming industry than downloading free games which requires major tech skills and garuantee busting mods to the consoles...
But effectively making a game purchase something your stuck with for life, i would say, is a bridge too far, the backlash already starting should put microsoft on notice, as the second hand market in books, music, games, toys, video and just about anything else (cars for instance) pretty much drives the new one...
I sell my old games on trade me so i can afford the coin to buy new ones... once you have played through a game like drake or God of war there is little incentive to make the journey again..
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Do they arrest the CEO of NZ post because he knows that drugs are sent in the mail?
Does the CEO of NZ post encourage people to put drugs in the mail, give other people free access to those drugs and promote NZ post as a way of distributing drugs....?
No...
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Originally posted by: Jabes
about dotcom i dont care really, wether he goes to jail does is extradited or not my life will go on just the same as it was so why waste time thinking bout it!
Pretty much like 99% of anything anyone posts on here jabes, but i was having this argument with a few geeks on farcebook and i wondered what normal(ish) people less versed in technobabble thought about it.
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where is all this handwringing from mr stats when another murderer or rapist is let off with a slap on the wrists one must ask?
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he's just a poster boy...
Statik Fm
all the lame crap from the 60's,70's and 80's
living in the past for too long !
Is it a criminal act to play a new song during a party or on a drive to the surf if all the listeners havent brought said CD ?
Or
Wow
can we listen to di(k jockeys play songs on the radio we have not purchased ?
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Is it a criminal act to play a new song during a party or on a drive to the surf if all the listeners havent brought said CD ?
Or
Wow
can we listen to di(k jockeys play songs on the radio we have not purchased ?
Radio stations have to pay APRA fees to play music, then the musicians get paid from that. They can't just buy a album and play it to thousands of people for there own commercial gain. Even a coffee shop has to pay APRA to play a CD to its customers.
Is it a criminal act to play a new song during a party or on a drive to the surf if all the listeners havent brought said CD ?
Or
Wow
can we listen to di(k jockeys play songs on the radio we have not purchased ?
ah theres the scooter we know and love, i wondered where he had gone...
space cadets right and again its a matter of scale, a coffee shop, retail store or house party isnt worth apra or anyone else going after (though they have in the past) DJs are covered by the venue (presuming it does pay Apra)
One of the reasons why some westfeild retail stores play classical music is becuse there is no copyright and they can avoid becoming the next cash cow apra takes aim at..
I had my own run in with apra when they wanted a (considerable) cut of the ticket sales from my gigs and a playlist from each DJ who played at them so they could 'allocate royalties to the appropriate artists...'
I said i was happy to pay both if they could supply me with an exact reckoning of why they wanted to charge what they were asking for, a list of artists they would be paying and how much in royalties each artist would be getting. (which if i was paying i was entitled to) They backed off pretty quick...
Apra in NZ survives on easy prey like hitting up the promoters of the pearl jam gigs because Eddie Vedder sang crowded house songs... which was a cut and dried case...
technically even Blunt should pay royalties for any cover versions he plays with his band in a paid gig.
but no ones gonna chase him
Also the money does not go to the appropriate artists, it is actually divided by the amount of radio play and sales an artist gets... its pretty technical but the end result is like pro surfing, the guys at the top win big and the lower chart hitmakers (or less popular ringtone downloads) get bugger all, certainly not even the cut they are entitled to.
In the UK and europe they have a thing called 'needle time' which means that any radio / tv station playing and artists music has to pay a per minute fee which mostly goes direct to the artist for the privilege...
they dont have it in the US and NZ...
George 'car crash' Michaels later songs are all radio unfriendly 5 and a half minute opuses because he knows how to play the game, a 5 min song.. makes 40% more money from needle time than a conventional 3.5 minute radio song.
Im still waiting for someone to come up with some actual support for dotcom, looks like hes not got a lot here... which is what you get with his act.
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I hadn't even heard of megaupload till a week ago...
*edited 11 Feb 2012 19:48
Originally posted by: brighton_pumps
where is all this handwringing from mr stats when another murderer or rapist is let off with a slap on the wrists one must ask?
a sweeping generalisation and all the more ironic as the said murderers and rapists getting let off with a slap on the wrist because john key and crusher collins are much more concerned with making sure boy racers dont zip up and down past thier mansions and thier land developer mates can bowl heritage buildings they want to build flats on and cut down trees that get in the way of thier views, oh and of course letting overseas criminals into the country as long as they have enough money to buy thier way in....
next....
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Originally posted by: Battery
I hadn't even heard of megaupload till a week ago...
me neither, or mr dotcom, but im fairly outraged with what i have seen and heard since...
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I think your coming around.... eh battery
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Originally posted by: Mr StatikOriginally posted by: Battery
I hadn't even heard of megaupload till a week ago...
me neither, or mr dotcom, but im fairly outraged with what i have seen and heard since...
Probably one of sites where you have to pay a join up fee... To pay for the flashy website and the NZ mansion
Originally posted by: Mr Statik
I think your coming around.... eh battery
maybe if and when I turn soft like yourself, till then it's bricks thru windows...
your kim.com hate thread sure looks a bit of a failure
a reflection of you dj career i imagine
keep at it static one day you'll succeed
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Originally posted by: Beemertrash
your kim.com hate thread sure looks a bit of a failure
a reflection of you dj career i imagine
keep at it static one day you'll succeed
His plan to rark you worked
nah
not rarked bp
just stating the obvious
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I think you are intentionally being provocative.
Whether he was intentionally encouraging people to upload copyrighted files or not is speculation that should be sorted in a court of law, which incidentially will be paid by us. To be extraditable he has to have committed an offence under NZ law.
To operate a dropbox, is not an offence.
You are being quixotic in then attacking ARPA, this duopoly in your convictions seems absurb (sorry for the royspeak)
All I hear is static
Originally posted by: Beemertrash
nah
not rarked bp
just stating the obvious
that scoots would get his knickers in a twist over this was a foregone conclusion predicted at the start....
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i reckon the fat fuker's wealth has come at the loss of profit of the artist to some degree.
i couldn't give a fuk about the record labels losses however. they had the chance to evolve when music became digital but chose not to and didn't. So instead the consumer evolved without them, leaving them behind to try and catch up. Now with anti-piracy laws they are trying to reverse evolve the market to a time when the labels profited best. This is a man in the death throws.
With tech nowadays the artist should be the boss and signing a label to support them instead. death to the middle man i say.
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Originally posted by: Beemertrash
nah
not rarked bp
just stating the obvious
so rarked hes called battery BP
i believe thats pretty much a level 4.. "responding to posts wildly and making unfortunate mistakes in the process"
To be extraditable he has to have committed an offence under NZ law
Well actually.....
Any request for extradition from New Zealand
must relate to an “extraditable offence” which
is defined as an offence that:
• Carries a maximum penalty of not less than
one year’s imprisonment in the requesting
country;
and
• Involves conduct that would be regarded as
criminal had it occurred in New Zealand,
and
would have carried a similar penalty.•
Is specified by the extradition treaty, if there
is one.
Please note that by NZ law a person can be extradited to any country that requests it, New Zealand does not have to have a formal extradition agreement with the other country!
Also they were quite happy to extradite that chap who killed the taxi driver to china which has the death penalty for murder (apparently the chinese said they would not apply it in this case... yeah right)
I havent heard wether Mr dotcom has had any such bargain applied to his extradition as the yanks can be pretty crazy with the sentencing depending on what state your tried in, multiple CONSECUTIVE life sentences are not uncommon resulting in hundreds of years of jail time... now that would be unfortunate....
You are being quixotic in then attacking ARPA, this duopoly in your convictions seems absurb (sorry for the royspeak)
Dont be sorry, I agree... 'Absurb' is indeed very 'royspeak....'
as for Apra, I didnt 'attack them'
When they went after me they thought i was just another cash cow they could scare with a demand letter, unfortunately for them my background meant i could argue the case with them with thier own rules and my argument was that the money they were taking would not go to the artists that they said they were going to pay with it...
It seems they agreed with me as i didnt hear any more about it after that... I guess they went after easier pickings... (not unusual)....
I would have been happy to pay if they would have said the money was going to the artists played at the events, unfortunately the way they process payments meant they could not in any way garuantee that, and instead the money would have been distributed to NZ chart toppers, which incidentally are pretty much 100% overseas acts so there was not even any upside for NZ there..
would you have given them 12k for one gig so they could give it to the vengaboys and celine dion??
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This is a man in the death throws.
With tech nowadays the artist should be the boss and signing a label to support them instead. death to the middle man i say.
i think its an art form and business model in the death throes, i agree, But at the moment you have guys like dotcom being the middleman making millions and no upside or payment for the artist or the label... the two entities that for all the moaning, own the music...
wait till 3d printing hits its straps, then pretty much anything will be copyable right in your home... then all copyright bets are off and out the window
3d printing saviour or piracy tool [stuff.co.nz]
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